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If you choose Vim, Emacs or TextMate, have a look at PySmell (available on PyPI).

It's an auto-completion provider. Note that the devel version (on github) has a bunch of fixes for the TextMate integration.

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ben 10 oyunları — Sun, 24 May 2009 21:06:00 -0000

Best to bite the bullet and learn one of them. Textmate, Kate, eclipse, komodo, gedit are all good editors but I doubt they will be around 10 years from now while vi and emacs will be around for the next 50.

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Brandon Konkle — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:26:00 -0000

Keyton,

I use the Eclipse Ganymede classic download for a couple of reasons. First off, I'm using Ubuntu 64-bit, so there's no Aptana standalone available for that platform. I use Eclipse at work also, though, where I'm forced to use Windows. :-) There I use Eclipse classic because I've found it maximizes compatibility with other plugins. There have been a few plugins I couldn't use in the standalone Aptana because it's running off of an old version of Eclipse.

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john — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:43:00 -0000

+1 for Komodo - I thought it was well worth the money. I've found their tech support quick and helpful. The licence is developer friendly - it's licenced to you and if you have Mac, a PC and a Linux machine you can install it on all of them.

Re: "To IDE or not to IDE?", that is the question

Keyton Weissinger — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:25:00 -0000

Brandon,

Do you use Aptana standalone or as an Eclipse plugin?

I've got a fair bit of Dojo to write and I've been thinking of moving from straight Eclipse to Eclipse (Ganymede) with the Aptana plugin to allow better front end dev.

Thoughts? Comments?

Keyton

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Wyatt Baldwin — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:26:00 -0000

Komodo is somewhat like a "modern" version of Emacs (or vim). It has good support for many languages but none in particular. When I use Komodo, I set up a few Emacs bindings.

Wing IDE is nice for Python debugging and auto-completion and its Python awareness in general, but it's support for other languages isn't that great, IMO. Adding support for a language requires, IIRC, writing C code.

To answer J Hartley's question, I mostly use the project browser, auto completion, search-and-replace, and source assistant in Wing IDE Pro. I rarely use the debugging features, although when I've needed them, they've been very helpful. I rarely use any of the "pro" features, although maybe I'd be X times more productive if I did.

So, I guess for me, for the most part, a full blown IDE is not really necessary. At this point, I've just gotten used to Wing--I use it because I paid for it. Komodo is a really nice all around editor. I haven't tried Eclipse/PyDev in a long time.

Re: "To IDE or not to IDE?", that is the question

Jonathan Hartley — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:06:00 -0000

The usefulness of the question can be improved by restating it as:

"What are the *features* of an IDE that you find useful in practice? What would you hate to live without?"

Then see how easy it is to obtain equivalent features in the environment of your choice.

In fact, this seems such a good idea I think I'll do just that on my own blog this weekend. :-)

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Justin Lilly — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:38:00 -0000

I'm preparing a few more posts on emacs for this weekend. You can check them out at http://justinlilly.com/ Beyond that, http://emacswiki.org is a great resource.

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Orestis Markou — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:17:00 -0000

If you choose Vim, Emacs or TextMate, have a look at PySmell (available on PyPI).

It's an auto-completion provider. Note that the devel version (on github) has a bunch of fixes for the TextMate integration.

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Heikki Toivonen — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:15:00 -0000

I second (or how many others there were before) Pydev... I've tried Wing, Komodo and Eric as well. In the end I liked Pydev the best because of various reasons:

* You can configure Pylint to show typos etc. errors as you type
* Debugging multi-threaded applications (Komodo and WIng have this too now, but Pydev was first that worked for Chandler)
* Cross-platform
* Common environment for all programming languages
* Huge number of plugins for Eclipse for all your needs

I still have XEmacs open all the time, but I do most of my heavy programmning with Eclipse (and Pydev in particular).

Re: "To IDE or not to IDE?", that is the question

Dave K — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:42:00 -0000

Real men use vi, or perhaps vim, and smart men use emacs ;)

But seriously though IDEs aren't that great, i've abandoned IDEs in favor of TextMate.

I think Python programmers just like IDEs because they want to feel like Java programmers but without the self-loathing. You know more professional and enterprise somehow.

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Bryan Berry — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:10:00 -0000

As a programmer you really have to learn emacs or vi sooner or later. The keybinding for both permeate the gun/linux tools. Best to bite the bullet and learn one of them. Textmate, Kate, eclipse, komodo, gedit are all good editors but I doubt they will be around 10 years from now while vi and emacs will be around for the next 50.

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John DeRosa — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:53:00 -0000

Emacs, Emacs, Emacs, Emacs, Emacs! The sacred editor...

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Bryan Berry — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:29:00 -0000

I am not a serious python programmer at all but I love using vi as my python ide. vi + ipython + screen + pdb does the trick for me. As a sysadmin bash + vi + screen are musts anyway.

I can't really see the benefits that eclipse or even emacs other than more consistent auto-completion.

Even though I bash on emacs, I don't understand why anyone couldn't be wholly satisfied w/ emacs or vi. Emacs, while not as awesome as vi, is a great ide in its own right. That's my contribution to the editor wars!

Re: "To IDE or not to IDE?", that is the question

Brandon Konkle — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:18:00 -0000

I'd have to echo several of the comments above recommending PyDev. I use Eclipse with the PyDev, Aptana, and Subclipse plugins. I'll admit that it's a little slow to start up, but once it's fired up it has everything that I need right there. I love the ability to inflate a window here and there with a single click for a closer look at something, I really appreciate the side-by-side conflict comparisons for SVN, and the code completion really speeds things up at times. I saw the comment above for EasyEclipse, and I'm going to give it a try to see if it speeds things up.

That being said, it still generates those annoying '.project' files, and I have to tell SVN to ignore them. If that really got under your skin before, you may want to consider that before jumping in again.